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Probably everybody says this about being a Waco, but I have an incident that happened

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back in 1968.

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I'm 38 years old now.

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And the only people who know about it is my father and my family now knows.

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And I did tell one friend.

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And it's something that I would like to, if I could even just make it short and just

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tell you and see if there was anything in this time frame that was happening to anybody

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else.

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We live right next to a mountain in Orville that runs north and south and we're up on

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the east.

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Let's see, we'd be on the west side of the mountain, but back behind our mountain would

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be east.

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Yes.

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And during the high water time, there is a, and the Smokamine River meets the Okanagan

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River right in front of our house.

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And there's a low marshy or a farmland that floods every year there.

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And you can walk, you kind of walk in the high ground and there's lots of puddles and

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stuff.

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My father and I were, I don't know how old the age I was back then, but anyway, I'm 38

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now.

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I was working on a motorcycle and it was just about lunchtime and we have two big picture

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windows in our house and which is facing west and the main highway, 97.

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And all of a sudden it sounded like a very large jet flying right to the house.

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And we just stopped working and I'm, I've just been a nut about flying.

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I always wanted anything to do with flying.

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And I looked up about the same time my dad did and this jet sounds like it's going to

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just run into our house.

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And it's so loud and reverberating that it's actually shaking in your, in your, your chest.

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You can just feel inside your body.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Anyway, instantly the noise quits instantly as it, as peak to the loudest point of the

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peak.

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And I guess you might say we're kind of in shock.

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We're both just sitting there or I'm actually on my knees.

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My dad's crushed down.

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We look up and there's some telephone, I mean power lines that are just above our house

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and this thing is sitting between the eve of our house and the power line.

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So you can actually take in a rock and just toss it.

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It was about, this is in years ago, but about three foot long cylinder shaped, had a, almost

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like a cross.

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Near the front it was more of a, the shape of a wing going across it at a 90 degree angle

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but it wasn't a wing like you would think of being an arrow, for lift.

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It just was a kind of a lip shape, whatever you'd say.

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Anyway, on the front there was argument between my dad and I because how long it was there,

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visible, sitting there.

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If the front of it was tapered off very fast, the back end looked completely blunt.

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We saw no openings, a very nice metal, a glisten to it.

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My dad and I, he's getting old now and we argue about what color it was.

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But anyway, there's absolutely no sound.

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The sound quit, the motion of the thing was, it was just there.

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You could hear it coming like it came from up behind the place just roaring within the

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mountains.

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It actually echoed off the mountains.

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So we're sitting there and we both agree on this today.

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It's about 1001, 1002, 1003.

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It sounds like if you've ever been around an old blacksmith shop you have to, a wind

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machine you could grab and you could start turning the handle and it slowly starts to

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wind up impeller.

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So anyway, this thing starts going, and starts to get a deep, really neat sound again.

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Like it's three to six times bigger than all of me.

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Like a jet sitting there next to you and this thing is tiny.

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And anyway, it starts to move forward, but very slowly.

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And what was needed was it moved forward, it also came down.

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So there's no talking between the two of us.

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We're just sitting there staring at this thing.

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It goes out, which would be 100 feet in front of us.

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It hits the main highway.

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If a car came or a truck came, it would have been wiped out.

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It's just about the height of a man's head going across the highway.

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It's flying just at, I'd say, 10 miles an hour, maybe not even 10 to 15 miles an hour.

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Slowly picking up speed and the sound is just kind of increasing with it, but yet it's

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not as loud as it was when it started.

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It goes out and across the railroad tracks and now it's out there about a block from

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us and does this beautiful little sashay.

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It just kind of turns on its side, shows complete profile itself.

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And like an airplane glider, it just turns left, which would be turning back south.

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Goes behind these great big Aspen trees, or these trees, and goes out into the swampy

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water area.

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And we can see it kind of going behind the trees and then it disappears out of sight.

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My dad, I just went, wow, what did we see?

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I'm just looking at it.

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I'm up on my feet and he said, you saw nothing.

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And I was, anyway, he totally broke down that you'll be a nut.

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Our family name will be ruined in town.

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We're known as good family.

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You didn't see nothing.

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You don't say nothing to your family, your mother, anybody.

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And you have to promise me.

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So I said they're just absolutely amazing.

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We just saw something that you maybe read about.

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And my dad's telling me that we saw nothing.

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So after he made me promise, absolutely swear that I would not say a word, we went in the

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house.

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Well, my little brother was laying on the rug next to the window and my other brother was

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sitting in a chair.

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And my little brother looked up and said, did that jet almost hit the house?

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And my mom spoke up in the kitchen and said, that thing was so loud, it was rattling things

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in here.

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And I looked at my dad like, please.

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And he just said, yeah, jet flew over.

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And that was it.

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So anyway, the story doesn't end real quick there, but I never said a word to anybody.

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My family, it was a promise.

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It was, you actually felt like maybe you had not seen anything because your dad knew you

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trust as a youngster says you didn't see anything.

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It's done.

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I come home and my dad's drawing a picture on the table.

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My little brother's sitting there all funny, bug-eyed.

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And here's this thing, drawing all out to scale.

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Just beautiful.

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And I looked at my dad like, here's our promise.

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What are you doing?

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He said, well, guess what happened?

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He said, I just came home and Ronny, you tell Ronny's my little brother.

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He said, well, I was home all alone.

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And he says, the chickens in the backyard were running around just going nuts.

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So he said, I looked out the back window and there was a shadow going on the ground.

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And I thought, ah, hawk.

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He said, I ran and grabbed a little 22.

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We had a 22 single shot.

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He said, I put a bullet in and I ran out the back and the chickens are still running around,

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but I didn't see a hawk.

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So he said, I walked up to the barn and I was standing up there at the barn looking for this hawk.

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And he said, all of a sudden I looked over my shoulder and right behind me facing the mountain,

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he said, just a few feet above me is this thing and he's had it drawn.

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And he said it was making no noise.

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It never made noise.

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And he said it just sat there.

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And he said, I was going to run, but I was so afraid I couldn't run.

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I didn't know what it was.

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And he said, all of a sudden it started to move.

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And I said, it made noise.

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He said, not a noise, not one sound.

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And he said it went and he pointed and right where it went a year earlier,

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it went right through the same tree, turned and made the same sashay.

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So now my whole family knows.

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We make a trip out on the island and we looked all over and we had sticks and we poked in the,

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my kids would do, we poked in every mud puddle it was.

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But anyway, that's been since 68 and it's only people who know my immediate family and my wife now.

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And I just wondered if anything like that, you know, you guys get a lot of probably nuts

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and people calling in, but do you get anything like that around that error?

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I would have to check back in the files.

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Okay.

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On this first sighting, Obama Jr. Father, do you have any estimate of the total duration of how long you watched it?

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Yeah.

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Well, let's see.

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Okay.

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The sound started and I would say it built up over 15 seconds.

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I mean, it's like you hear a jet coming in.

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It's really, my dad says, really motating.

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We think it came over to mountain, but we don't know.

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There's a high water during this time.

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Also, there's a dry lake bed right above our house at the very top of the mountain.

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Anyway, it came down from that direction and it was cooking or us put it this way.

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The sound was really echoing off that mountain and I started looking up.

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So let's say no more than 15 seconds.

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The sound peaked to where you actually, you're both just like, wow, what's this jet going to do?

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Where's it coming from?

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Because the sound is just reverberating.

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Well, it's actually shaking my chest and I could feel it shaking my body and my, the others in the family in the house

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said it was shaking the windows and stuff.

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So they thought it was going to break the windows.

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I can say we both agree on three seconds.

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We fear about 1001, 1002, 1003 of total sitting there.

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No motion, no nothing just sitting there, letting us stare at it.

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We stared at it, it just sat there.

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And then I would say it started to make this noise slowly like it was winding up and slowly moved forward.

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And let's see, I would say that lasted no more than another 15, 20, 30 seconds to maximum.

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I don't know if this makes any sense, but I tried to block it out of my memory because it drives you nuts.

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You just saw something that you can't believe you saw, your own father.

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So I wanted to go and get hypnotized and pay a professional to hypnotize my dad and I and see if we could make more detail

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because my little brother said there was a little opening at the front, right up near the front.

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There was a tiny little square of an opening.

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Well, my little brother is dead now.

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He got killed in a cart and a bike wreck in 1980.

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And I, you know, I don't remember a lot about it because we were told not to.

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We were told not to. My dad said don't, just forget it.

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Okay, do you have any estimate of the closest or the lowest altitude that the object obtained?

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Yeah, the lowest altitude obtained when it crossed the main highway.

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We both were just shocked. It was below the heights of a man's head.

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I figured if a car came it would have been right at the top of a normal car.

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So about chest level.

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And it, of course, if the car came it wouldn't have got hit.

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I believe it was very, whatever it was guiding or whatever it was doing, it didn't know what it was doing.

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But we both said later, boy, if there had been a truck or a car, a thing would have just been wiped out.

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Okay, and this was 1968. Do you have any estimate of the months?

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Yeah, my dad would know probably pretty well exact.

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It's when the high waters, when the Smokamine River and the water floods north, so it's after spring runoff.

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Okay, how about the time of the day?

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Oh yeah, it was just about lunch.

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Okay.

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Yeah, it was, as a matter of fact, I can almost, if I go to the spot at my mom's house and stand there,

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nothing's changed. The power pole's still there. The house is still there.

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You know, and we stand at the porch and stand where my bike used to be.

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And I say, you know, kids, this is where it was at. It was right underneath this power line and right above the eve of the house.

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It came right underneath.

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Okay, did you notice anything coming from the object that would indicate some kind of an exhaust?

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No, that's what's weird.

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We both agreed as it moved away. We both stared at it. There was no openings.

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There was no opening in the rear. There was no, for propulsion, for whatever, there was absolutely,

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I know the end of, I'm going to call them the wings now, for nothing better to call them.

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It was totally squared off, blunt. It's like you took and sliced them with a knife.

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It was definitely a beautiful metal color, like a gun barrel that then,

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now my dad said it had more of a brownish tint or some kind of a tint to it.

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But again, I won't swear under hypnosis something that I'd remember, but I know that it was impressive.

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The metal was just glistening. The sun wasn't in our eyes. It was a beautiful view of it.

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And the most impressive thing was the physical feeling of it.

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The feeling that reverberated through my, it's like standing at a drag track in Spokane, Washington,

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having the dragsters take off, it shakes your chest.

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And this was a feeling when it came and then it instantly, absolutely, instantly stopped.

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When the noise stopped, it was there. And we didn't see it coming to stop.

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We didn't see it like slowing down. All we saw was, are we heard a noise, looked, and then it quit.

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The noise quit. There was an object.

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It's just weird. I've never done anything about this.

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And I can say I've only told one friend in my family, but there's an article that someone talked to someone over there,

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one of you gentlemen from OMAC, and I saw that and I thought, man, you know, I don't want to be in the paper.

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I don't want to be anything. But if I could just talk to someone and just get off my chest and let someone know that I,

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you know, I saw something and I just want to know if anybody else saw it.

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Because when my little brother saw it, exact, I'll bet you within, well, the same month, the next year, one year away.

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And I can say what was weird was we never told him. And he was so scared.

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I looked at him and said, well, why didn't you shoot? And the kid was almost in tears.

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He said, well, it was just sitting there. And he said, I just got this weird feeling.

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I couldn't believe the thing was sitting in the air. And then I said, well, it's making noise.

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And he said, not a noise. Then he said, he started to move and it started to move.

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And it just went on down and he pointed. He said, went right through there and turned.

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Well, some great big trees that grow on the edge of rivers.

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I'm going to say, ask, but not ask, but cottonwood.

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And they're just some great big old cottonwood trees. And it just, there's an opening between two trees.

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And he said it just went there and turned.

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And it's sad, you know, he's not around to tell his story.

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And so it'd be great to have him tell it again. But my dad, he's pushing 70.

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And I don't know. I just, I don't know if there's people that you can go to that you can trust it,

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or professionals be able to do this and setting and see if there's something that we don't remember.

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Well, we sure appreciate you reporting that. I'm going to check back in the files for that period.

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And if I find any additional information relating to anything else that happened in that area, I'll let you know.

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Well, I'll say it's just about one mile south of Orville on Highway 97.

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And whether that makes any difference or not.

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But that's just an area that has a real big, big island,

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completely surrounded by a small community, Okanagan River.

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Okay.

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Okay, that's right. Thank you.